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German leaders tackle ‘difficult’ visit from Turkey’s Erdogan

German leaders host Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for talks Friday, in a highly controversial visit made more explosive by Erdogan's branding of Israel as a "terror state".

Erdogan and Scholz
Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (r), President of Turkey, meet for bilateral talks at the NATO summit. Photo: picture alliance/dpa | Kay Nietfeld

Erdogan has been increasingly critical of Israel’s war against Gaza-rulers Hamas, triggered after the Islamist gunmen’s deadly attack on October 7th that Israel said killed around 1,200 people, mostly civilians.

While Chancellor Olaf Scholz travelled to Israel to offer Germany’s unconditional and unwavering support after the Hamas attack, Erdogan has doubled down on his defence of the Islamists as “liberators” fighting for their land.

The Turkish leader has accused Israel of committing war crimes with its bombardment and ground incursion in Gaza, where the death toll has mounted past 11,000. These numbers are mostly civilians, including thousands of children, according to Hamas-run health authorities in the territory, whose figures are deemed credible by the UN.

Erdogan’s stance has sparked questions in Germany about the wisdom of hosting the Turkish leader at this time, with the opposition conservatives and even the liberal FDP, a member of Scholz’s coalition, urging Scholz to scrap the invitation.

READ ALSO: Germany criticised at UN over Gaza war stance

But the centre-left-led government said it was all the more important to keep talking in the toughest of times.

“We have always had difficult partners whom we have to deal with,” said Scholz’s spokesman Steffen Hebestreit, acknowledging that it is a visit “that will be challenging given the current circumstances”.

“But it’s not just about telling each other what we think, it’s about moving forward on numerous issues… and for that, we need these talks.”

‘Uncomfortable partner’

Characterised as an “uncomfortable partner” by Scholz’s spokesman, Erdogan will be making his first visit to Germany since 2020, when he attended a conference on Libya in Berlin.

Scholz gave a hint of the tone at the upcoming talks as he slapped down a recent “fascism” accusation against Israel by Erdogan as “absurd”.

Yet the Turkish leader ramped up his verbal attacks against Israel this week, calling it a “terror state” and alleging the West was “trying to exonerate the murderers”.

The daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung said Germany offered the “ideal stage” for Erdogan to position himself as a voice for the “global south”.

“As the loudest critic of Israel, he is underlining his demand for leadership of the Islamic world,” said the daily.

Another issue that Erdogan may raise is Turkey’s hopes to buy 40 Eurofighter Typhoon jets, which, according to Turkey’s defence ministry, co-manufacturer Germany opposes.

Ties between the two countries have always been uneasy, with Berlin critical of Erdogan’s clampdown on domestic dissent while recognising that getting regional power Turkey onside was necessary to tackle thorny issues.

From mediating to get grain shipments out of Ukraine amid Russia’s war to negotiating a key deal on alleviating the 2015-2016 migrant influx in Europe, the NATO member remains a crucial player.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey,

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey, meets Federal Chancellor Scholz during bilateral talks at the G20 summit. Photo: picture alliance/dpa | Christoph Soeder

Germany is also home to the biggest Turkish diaspora abroad, and a majority of the Turkish community in the country are supporters of Erdogan, including former German international footballer Mesut Ozil.

But Erdogan’s strident criticism of Israel sets him awkwardly against Germany, which has made the existence of Israel unconditional given its responsibilities over the Holocaust.

Josef Schuster, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said Erdogan did not deserve to be trusted.

“Anyone who not only denies Israel’s right to exist but also actively fights against it should not a be a partner for German politicians,” he told newspaper group RND.

Scholz “must use the occasion to make clear to Erdogan that his relativisation of Hamas terror cannot be accepted under any circumstances,” said Schuster.

READ ALSO: Could Germany strip citizenship rights from foreigners over anti-Semitism?

Calling Erdogan’s accusations against Israel “completely unacceptable”, Michael Roth, who heads the parliamentary committee on foreign affairs, also said the Turkish leader “not only puts a strain on the relations between Germany and Turkey, but above all he is a burden for his own country”.

Yet Roth, who like Scholz is a Social Democrat, said he was in favour of the visit, which will include a meeting between with President Frank Walter Steinmeier before Erdogan sits down for dinner with the chancellor.

The discussions must be with “little fuss and little gloss but a lot of plain language,” said Roth.

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  1. Just one correction- when discussing Hamas’ Massacare on October 7th- These are not “Isalmist gunnman” These are Islamist Terrorists. Language does matters when discussing this

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FOOD AND DRINK

Turkey and Germany in spicy feud over doner kebab

A spicy row has erupted between Turkey and Germany over what constitutes a doner kebab, with Berlin objecting to a Turkish push for protected status for the iconic snack.

Turkey and Germany in spicy feud over doner kebab

The humble döner, made with thinly sliced meat cooked on a vertical rotisserie, has its origins in Turkey but is also beloved in Germany after being introduced there by Turkish migrants.

In April, the International Doner Federation (Udofed), based in Turkey, filed an application to the European Commission to grant the doner kebab Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG) status.

From the exact meat and spices to the thickness of the knife used to slice the meat, Udofed wants the definition of the doner to adhere to a strict list of criteria.

If successful, the application would bar businesses in the European Union from using the name döner kebab unless it met the criteria, giving it the same protected status as Italy’s bufala mozzarella or Spain’s Serrano ham.

In its application, Udofed hails the döner’s origins during the Ottoman Empire, citing a recipe found in manuscripts dating from 1546.

READ ALSO: Which cities have the cheapest – and most expensive – döner kebabs in Germany?

But that has sparked an uproar in Germany, where the döner has become an emblem of the country’s large Turkish community, descended from “guest workers” invited under a massive economic programme in the 1960s and 70s.

The German capital even claims the döner kebab to be “a Berlin invention”.

“It happened in Berlin: Legend has it, Kadir Nurman was the first to put the meat in flatbread in 1972 and invented the version of doner that is so beloved in Germany,” according to the city’s website.

“The döner belongs to Germany. Everyone should be allowed to decide for themselves how it is prepared and eaten here. There is no need for any guidelines from Ankara,” said Agriculture Minister Cem Özdemir, whose parents migrated from Turkey.

‘Meaty argument’

Germany’s agriculture ministry viewed Turkey’s application “with astonishment”, a spokesman told AFP.

If this “imprecise” and “contradictory” proposal is accepted by the commission, “the economic consequences for the German gastronomic sector would be enormous”, the spokesman said.

The DEHOGA hotel and catering union also warned of a “lack of clarity and transparency”, “difficulties with legal definitions” and “a raft of future disputes”.

The German government lodged an objection to the Turkish application just ahead of the European deadline on Wednesday.

Döner kebab in Dortmund

An employee prepares a doner with meat from a kebab skewer in a doner restaurant in the city centre of Dortmund, western Germany. Photo: Ina Fassbender / AFP

In Berlin, where the doner has long surpassed the sausage as the convenience snack of choice, Birol Yagci is concerned that the Turkish version only allows beef, lamb or chicken.

“Here it’s different. The traditional recipe is made with veal,” the chef at a Turkish restaurant in the city’s Kreuzberg district told AFP.

Behind him, two columns of meat glisten on their spits, one ironically made from turkey — the bird — which would also not be allowed under the new definition.

READ ALSO: How the humble Döner kebab evolved into Berlin’s go-to fast food snack

“People eat döners all over the world. Turkey can’t just dictate to others what they should do,” said the 50-year-old.

“My customers won’t want to eat lamb. It has a very particular taste,” said Arif Keles, 39, owner of a doner kiosk, whose customers include Germany’s national football team.

Keles too said he would sooner charge the name of his products than alter his recipes.

“My customers know what they’re eating, so as long as the quality is there it doesn’t matter what you call it,” he said.

Döner diplomacy

Germany accounts for two-thirds of döner kebab sales in Europe with the market worth €2.4 billion ($2.6 billion) a year, according to the Association of Doner Manufacturers in Europe (ATDID).

In April, German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier even took Keles with him on a visit to Turkey as a symbol of the close ties between the two countries.

Keles arrived to serve his wares at an official reception armed with a huge spit of veal, much to the “curiosity” of his guests.

“In Turkey, döner is eaten on a plate. I served it Berlin-style, on bread with sauce, and they loved it,” said the chef, whose grandfather emigrated from Turkey to Germany.

But the European Commission must now decide whether doner diversity will win the day, according to the institution’s agriculture spokesman Olof Gill.

If the objection to the Turkish application is found to be admissible, the two parties will have a maximum of six months to reach a compromise, he said.

By Clement Kasser

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